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The Sky is the Limit with Barry Freeman


An interview with the author of Sideslip, Alberta's own Barry Freeman.

Hi and welcome to Between the Lines. Onthis show you will hear about and from lesser known Canadian authors and writers who,for whatever reason have remained under the radar of traditional publishers and publishing houses. If it has something to do with writing or the writing process, you are going to hear a discussion about it here in your host Randy Lacey and I encourage you to grab your bevy of choice, get comfy, and get ready to go Between the Lines. People come into writing in several different ways. For some, doing school assignments was their first introduction. For others. it may have been from a book or a poem. They had been reading and wondered if they might be able to write a book or a poem. Every writer has taken a different path away from where they first began the writing journey theyare on. Each writer's journey will be different, yet similar,, but there is one thing all writers have in common:, a different destination. On this episode, I will be speaking with Barry Freeman, Hello Barry and welcome to Between the Lines Barry: Thanks Randy. It's great to meet you, more oir less in or less in person.Randy: More of s or less,Barry: Or less. Barry: You asked for a brief biography,Randy: Yeah. Barry: Well, I had a brief biography when I was much younger, but now at seventy-eight it's not really brief anymore.. I was born in Medicine Hat, Medicine Hat Alberta, where I still have family and I visit there whenever I can. It was there that I started a career in television at the local TV station and after a few years, moved to CBC, television in Edmonton. where I settled into the croft of film eitor.Tthat experience taught me the basics of story,structure in the visual form- and I left CBC after eight years to freelance in film editing and film production. Also, I wrote scripts for documentaries and at a weekly science item for radio. I did work as an assistant editor on a feature film and even co wrote a feature script whichwas not produced, but at least we were paid for the work that we did and Iattended the Bout School of Writing Summer Program twice in theproof, the one that they have, that big writing retreat a couple of times ayear. Yeah, it's a it's. It's a summer deal and you you're, given a a writinghut in which to put your your typewriter and an script, and you O, you can write all day or you cangoof off, which some of us did and then in the morning we attend a a class where we all gather with theinstructors and sometimes guest raiders like w Mitchell, was one that I reallyenjoyed and we read out parts of it they go through. We were writing andmark, make comments and and then may ask you to read, read some of itsPeliti it's kind of loose, but it really teaches you what other peoplerespond to and what constructors are looking for. Interesting I've oftenwondered if I could see myself at that at that, retreat or whatever, becauseas a visually impaired person, how would they be able to accommodate me?Because I have a forty two inch monitor. You can't really carry that under yourarm or in a computer bag, or you know so, would they be able to accommodatepeople like me? So it's interesting that that you have a perspective on.You know I'm hearing for the first time, because I've never even pursued it, not believing that they would be ableto accommodate the likes of me. Well, if you can get your monitor in there inthe writing hut door and the where they're doing it now, each writer hasthe place to write. I'm sure you can join well I'll have to look into it a littlefurther you've piqued my interest to go back and look again.

Do you is there any more to your bileor is that pretty much it? Well, no t'stay much o yeah all right!Well, then, we're gotton get into this wonderful section that i've called thegrilling of berry so which means basically there's going to be some typeof questions. So the first question i'm going to askyou is: were there any? Was there any one book, article poem or what have you which inspired you towrite? There were many short stories andnovels written by science fiction greats like robert hinan and isaac asma,but the one novel that really inscribed me t most to right was fraid. Kerber'sdone the series. I just love that book m do now. They've also made what a miniseries out of it. Now they've got a new movie coming out if it's not alreadyout yeah, there's a there's a movie coming up that it's o getting somegreat great reviews on the on the pre release stuff on it. The other one wasa isaac, asm of foundation as been as a television series, and i just watchedanother one of those. Last night it datas a very complex series, novel so commedian foundation andempire, and it was kind of hard to follow in some ways ofmultiple characters and some interesting thoughts, and it's beenrevealed to me, i think, in the series a little better than when i read it atthe teenage. I can imagine that be there's more insight. I guess addedinsight to it's already. There. I've had the luxury of watching movies at the theater, sincelosing my site that is lose watching movies at the theater with describedvideo and with described video. You get that bonus background information, i'mfinding it really good. I prefer that to reading a book or listening to abook because of that description that they give with the with the videodescription pretty and well asimov a little twisted anyway at that best yeah.He can be very, very not i wouldn't say question but t he'she's. A scot of deep thought is that now foundation series is that the onewhere he pretty much lays the ground for work for robotics and the rules? No, that was a that was a differentseries to on foundation. Series is basically about a scientist to amathematician and uses numbers to predict the end of the end of thecurrent civilization on the coming wars, and so on, of course, as a as as one predicting what the badthings happening. They of course they don't like that. So that causes allsorts of problems for him right and anyway it's i it's not a bad series sofar, but visually, it's kind of, i would saycomplex dark. I don't like dark stuff. Yeahtends to all those are rabbit holes. I don't like to go down wonderful. Were you one of thosewriters who kept everything to yourself or were you one of those who i'll callyou a brave soul who who would rush out? And so here read this read this kind ofperson? No, i was fearful of in the verybeginning of these fearful of chris chris, isn't by anyone. So mostly ikept what i wrote to myself my face, some active opposition to the writingidea. When my father asked me what i was going to do with my life- and isaid oh, i want to be a writer and to what she said yeah. But what will youdo for a living? It was. It was not a dumb question that is funny. So what broke you out ofthat then i o, probably fifty or sixty...

...years before i got to the point where ithought i could show things to people. I got some feed, especially on the onthe radio scription on the television stuff. I did but script ready, so ifelt a lot more confident than, and it was so just a matter of time before ithought so. I thought that well, i could read as good as these other guysare. Why y, when not show you the people yeah i was. I was one of thosekeep it to yourself. It was. It was more for self therapy than anythingelse for me and until one day i accidentally left mynotebook out and a friend had picked it up and read it and going. Why aren'tyou sharing this and and i go well? Why should i- andyou know then the rest of history here here we are today but yeah. It's it'sinteresting, because those two different types of personalities you'reeither one or the other, there's no middle ground in that its air. Youshare your share or your. Let's keep it back here. This is me well, my greatestjoy when i was a kid was to tell stories to my sisters and it's cat, thehell out o him, and i think i got a great deal rat driven out of that. Butmost of that stuff i didn't write down it was i made up stories as i went onand it became tell us another story and i did write some of them done later andactually used one of them as a end of year assignment in english and want o ashort prize at the local fair, and that always still puzzles me. Why? What theact did they ever think? That was a good story. However, there's probablybeen a lot of really good. Audible stories lost over time that have neverbeen written down. That probably should have been written down some at somepoint. What is your philosophy about writers block? Well, the onlytime i had raters flock waswhen i know the rate a school paper or something important. You know as far asfiction goes. My greatest problem is always been,never having enough time to write all that's in my head or in or from me manyfile holders or from the stacks of notes, i of muttering, my desk. So ikeep a note pad and pencil nearby and many no pads of pencils scatteredaround the house, where i'm likely to be inspired like next to my and my easy chair, thedim table or even in the office and ideas come anywhere any time, so therethey're kind of, like writing, journals and yeah. Oh that's, not formal. I meantheir notes and i mean there's stacks of notes and small notepapers, andsometimes all it takes to get written down as a a one sheet of note paper andthen other times. I have to start numbering the pages and then i scape alose together and i put him down and then i maybe i'll carry on with that, but ijust have so many ideas, so it's it's hard to keep up with it. I talk tomyself a lot to that. Helps. Well, there's nothing wrong with talking withyourself. It's when you start arguing and losing. Then you might need to talk to somebodyelse. Where do you in i'm? Sorry, where doyou find your inspiration to right? Well, it's pretty much anywhere, but in beginning it was serial radio dramassuch as superman or the own ranger. But mostoften the science fiction shows like x, minus one. It was taking short stories fromastounding science fiction magazine grammatize them, so i as soon had asubscription of that in other science fiction magazines and that's what issmart despite me, the most rich. I also recall listening to radio series, onecalled jake and the kid was written by w mitchell. Who was the road who hasseen the wind, of course, the most...

...popular one, but like by natan le yearslater at that vance school? When i attended the writing program- and i hada chance to- i had a chance to talk to about that,and thank him for that inspiration today. Oddly, my inspiration comes fromwatching television or reading bon fiction, and sometimes as thetelevision it's bad language, and that dialogue and script at has me editingand rewriting it to my head and that's when the no croden pencils coming to-and i can like that is- is this- this tack don't set my officepose daily along with notebooks, and i used to keep an notebook beside the bedfor those just falling asleep inspirations. In the middle of thenight awake i win, yeah and but the last in the morning i couldn't readwhat i had written so so i put a portable voice recording her on thenext stand as folk into it, feeling pretty sure that i captured what i wastrying to work on what i've been thinking dreaming. How that find was even worseas i mumbled so badly. The recording was not only unintelligible, but ioften fell asleep in the middle of it once reported hours of nothing butsnoring. One of the reasons i end up with a seatpack washier sleep at ten all right. So that's not a self critique of your yourthoughts for your sore. Yes, that's yeah! I know. Is it so your recorder? Is it a voiceactivated or do you have to physically? Because if you talking your sleep, it'sgoing to be great yeah. I don't speak clearly enough. In that case, no, it'sone. We have to press the button and i leave it set ready to go, and all ihave to do is press the button and then recorded. But it's verydisappointing in the morning is oh a some great thoughts. I think o that'shere to that and i get what is the decipher here where's my code? It's just it justdidn't work better, but if i get up and and go to the office, but then i startto lose sleep that way. So i doesn't work not enough for him in your officefor a bed. No, i ribe your friends for that i'd betoo tempted just to be sleeping instead of working well, we do need sleep though nextquestion: do you have any particular rituals or superstitious things you dobefore starting a writing project or after completing one? Not really notthat i'm aware of anyway, like i don't trapped pencils into this lad like iuse mechanical pensoit, a prepare, a pot of tea or or anything like that. Imight check my email to get rid of those that distraction. I will watchyoutube videos for details about how to do something related to a scene m right.Research- i guess, is my one ritual and- and i feel i have to do that before istart to write about something i don't know anything about. I thought it was. That was a good thingto do, but many times details of that rot research will stand out andgenerate some character, dialogue or his fire and a plot of direction, and imean, is it considered super situs superstitious to write well on thetoilet? I draw the line at that. That's gross o. Nobody has to know away. I am an office where i surroundmyself with all the tools for writing at the la coughing, a big screen, and ii paid for research on a smartphone for whatever else, a stacks of notes andfile. Photers, of course, but essentially essential, is a goodinternet connection and i have to have a radio for background music. I wasjust going to ask you about that: do... listen to a certain type of musicor just any music in general or well yeah. I've some background radiabeen a thing with me for years, even when i was a team building, airplanemodels and doing homework and stuff, it's not always music, but sometimesit's just voices of the chatter of an air airport control tower or shortleave, amateur radio band, or it's all backgrounds, and these days it's morelike to be classic oners. If it helps me concentrate on the details of thestory coming on my head, just something about if dead silence, it kind ofblocks me if it's, if it's totally quiet, maybe i'm hearing epos orsomething in my head- oh yeah, no, don't even go there. I find dead silence when i'm writingvery distracting. Yeah me too, and so i typically i willhave a writing playlist that i that i work through, and i just happen to havea fifteen hour playlist, so i've never made it halfway through before i had totake a break, though well, i had experimented with certain types of music when i'm wheni'm writing, say a reaction scene. I had certain things, but i like the certainmusic i'd like to play, while i'm doing that, and it's like adding music to amovie. It's like yeah, like the background music for an action scene oror yeah. No, i get that one hundred percent and with your background inwith tv and stuff like that, i can see that yeah, oh yeah, it's very helpfulto me. I haven't. I haven't done that muchlate, because maybe i can't find the right of music for what i'm r, i don'tknow, t e c bc used to have. I think it was a contest or or something, and itwas right- the soundtrack of your life and as go over your life and pick songsfrom parts of your life. That would be the sound track to your life, and ithought that was a really neat thing. Well, i think that would be great,except i'd, wind up, crying and laughing in the wrong spots. I supposethat may be writing things that i wasn't going to write. You know music and very could affect meemotionally very, very much yeah. I agree with that and i think that's whatit's meant to do really and much like writing is supposed to do as well,because it's you know when you read the author is trying to steer your emotionsin a certain direction. I could be wrong, i know to happen once or twiceyeah, so this is going to be one of my favorite questions. I thinkthat i'm going to start asking everybody there was a show on mtv or one of those other platforms, whichwas they would ask musicians which song they wish they had written. So withthat in mind, finish the following sentence, i wish i had written and thenexplain why i wish i had written dude bankers first novel in that series drew me into the world it created sosmoothly. I wanted to to read certain passages over and over and more said for the detail. So againand again he built layer on way air of intrigue in a complex plot. It was hardto put down, but just it was probably one of the first books i read was hardto put down, and i read that series and reread the initial novel several times.The lesson i took away from that is it is to create a detailed and logical world before you put youractors on the stage, but that's oh really good. What really good writingis about. You know i take that. You put...

...t your actors in place in the worldthat you have created and you let them go, and- and i want to addthat all my reference, my prefer genre size fiction. I decided i wanted towrite a book that is sad, a more commercial, some possibility ofcommercial as excess, so i picked another favorite of mine, the actionadventure, crime, noble and i started up laying that story. Basedon some of my experiences and my passion for flying. It was a elearningprocess that took almost ten years long time. Yeah it's a long time for sure ascript. Writing is a pretty forward, pretty straightforward, especially ifit's, if it's a documentary, the radio novel is totally different in me. Yougot to come up with stuff out of your head totally, and sometimes that's that's that'sdifficult for putting it into some order that that's reasonable it's. Itwas something i had to really really work at and learn as like. I said ittook me almost ten years at, of course that was part time, but when my wifepassed away, i found i have more time so i tackled up and did i started out,writing poetry and then, just in the last couple of years, i've venturedinto short stories and what not, but i'vealways wanted to be a script writer and for the life of me.Even now i it's alien to me. I can't seem to grasp the formatting or how todo it. It just i mean i envy those people who can do that. I do too. He can know, even though my partner rating partner and i at thetime i managed to complete couple or three drafts anyway, of a ofa feature film script. We did the research we did. It was, you know,based on a historical incident and characters, and and but we had a marvelous type of o could who could dothe format that was a that's one of the most difficult things is, is gettingthe space a right and the two words posted it's kind of tough to do it'smuch better to work with island in a novel, but you don't have to do all ofthat as much but still script. Writing is really anothertotally another another craft and i admire people that can take a novel andturn it into a movie script. Think wow. That takes it a lot of work. Absolutelyhe i've always said that i'm an ideas guy, and so i could give anybody who's got the talent forwriting a script. I could give them ideas and keep them busy, but iwouldn't be able to do what they do. It would would take anybody. I think, alot of time to learn that, but once you learn it, you still have to be able tosell it somewhere. That's my my difficulty. There's a lot of demand forspirits, but they they seem to be going to ones that have written scriptsbefore. If, if you've sold one script, you like them to get another whenyou've had two scripts you're going to you've got a job for life practicallyeven if they're bad scripts, at least they know you, could they that you cando it but insisted on yeah yeah, but getting into that it really does most things in film.Business really depends on who you know. Well you, you kind of sagua us intopart two, which i have called paying the bills. So this is the part of theshow where you get to tell everybody about your published works or or yourcurrent work and progress and where they can find them or how they can finda more how they can find you. So the first question will be: can you let thelisteners know about your published book or books and where they might beable to find it or them?...

Well, this is kind of a short section.I only have one publish no side slip. It's all one word: it's a is: what was it called die slip side slip,okay, side slip, what is a maneuver nerea maneuver by an airplane, whereyou can lose a lot of altitude without gaining speed? It's just a maneuver, and it relates to the contents of the book andsome ways to e, but it's it's available, digitally on cobo and amazon kendal,where you can also order a print copy, and i have a box of paper backs andwith been selling to anybody was supposed to be family and close.Friends, of course, are you currently working on anything? How close to being done? Is it well?I'm reading a second novelin, the the side slip series, i'm going to call her.This series of may be only two and mige three, but i'll do that this winter,and hopefully, by this spring of two thousand and twenty two i have at sinca,i'm also hoping to publish another other story, bits and pieces on theblog umwertung, okay plus, i want to record the novel size of the pas as anaudio, which is something i've been assured. I can do it's just a a offinding a quiet place so that there isn't the you know, gavage pick up orverses winning or something in the background, a studio out in the countryis is better than the city, but still having quite fighting a quiet spot asanother. Another thing altogether. Isn't that the truth i had to build onein my basement, which is not quite done yet, but we'regetting closer as time goes by. I don't know how it looks because i m, like isaid, i'm visually impaired, so i may not even be what i need. How and where can listeners find you onthe web? Well on facebook, that's mostly personal posts of photographs,because photography is one of the things i've been doing for a long time.It's one of those standing longstanding hobbies that sometimes it's ayas well,but i have a webpage and a blog under development on word, press, okay, barryd, freeman, dot, word, press com and i'm a member of the world writersguild of alberta and the crime writers of canada. So i heard cable to checkout those sites as well. Excellent, very thank you so much for allowing meto have the pleasure of putting you on this show and highlighting you and yourwork pleasant opportunities to you and and your future endeavors thanks. Somuch again for doing this. Well, thank you for evening and good luck, but thisseries, i hope you keep doing many of them. You have been listening tobetween the lines with randy lacy in future episodes. I will be talking withauthors and writers from across the country about all things. Writing. So,if you like what you heard, i encourage you to tune into some future episodesof between the lines.

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